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out what he had to say below!
Q:
Now that you have segued from writer to producer, how are you
juggling everything that you're doing because that's quite a
bit given that this is a new series?
Jeff
Eastin: Yes, it's been a little insane. I've done it a couple
times before, so it's not exactly a new experience. I gained
some pretty valuable experience on the other shows that didn't
survive, so I'm hoping that I can use that information to actually
keep this one on the air.
Q:
Could talk a little bit about the genesis of the concept and
going from the idea to an actual TV series and just kind of
that process and how that came about?
Jeff
Eastin: Sure, well, the idea really came about, this was
prestrike, pre WGA strike, and I had been kind of playing around
with a couple of ideas. I'm a huge Shield fan, and I had worked
with a friend of mine. We sort of bounced ideas off each other,
a guy Travis Romero.
I was a huge Shield fan. By way, don't tell
me because I didn't end up getting to see the final season
which I heard was awesome. I'd been playing around with an
idea that I'd called ‘redemption' at the time. The idea was
sort of a much darker, sort of a Vic Mackey, what would happen
if he'd killed his partner and gone to prison. Then, they
have to let him out of prison to work with a detective to
solve the crime. Then, when it came to that, they decide to
put a tracking anklet on him and keep him out. That idea percolated
around for a little bit in my head, and somebody had pointed
out there was a show called Life that's on that they said,
"Hey, that's pretty much exactly the same idea." I had kind
of shelved it a little bit.
At that point (I believe this was just before
the strike), Travis and I were sitting around discussing kind
of what wasn't on the air. The one thing that I hadn't seen
for awhile was kind of the buddy show which I was a big fan
of. I did an early draft of Rush Hour 3. I did True Life 2
draft for Cameron which was back before Arnold got elected,
and that was sort of in my wheelhouse, just the buddy thing.
I loved, absolutely loved, Lethal Weapon and 48 Hours. I said,
"You know, there's nothing really on TV like this anymore."
We kind of looked around and said, "No, there really isn't."
We kind of dusted off the redemption idea and said, "What
if we took this and turned it into a comedy?"
At that point, I kind of just started in my
head trying to figure out who the characters are, and for
me, Matt Nix, who created Burn Notice, and I are pretty decent
friends. He'd seen the pilot, and he called me and said, "Hey,
dig the pilot. I just realized," he said, "Peter Burke, your
FBI agent," he goes, "He's you." I was like, "What do you
mean?" He's like, "That's your alter ego." He's like, "Michael
Weston, my alter ego, and I think Peter's your alter ego."
I thought about it for a little bit, and I
realized he's right. With me, Peter, who's sort of more the
straight man, is the guy that I am, but I've always been fascinated
by the guy who Neal Caffrey is. I've had friends like this.
Guys who you could literally parachute them in any place in
the world with literally nothing with, just the clothes on
their back and by the end of the night, they'd be driving
a Bentley and having dinner with the princess in the castle.
I'm not that guy, and I've always sort of
been fascinated by people who could pull that off. That was
sort of the genesis of the Neal character. Taking a guy who
literally just by smiling could pretty much knock down any
wall, and the idea of pairing him up with somebody who's kind
of the exact opposite seemed like a pretty natural. That's
pretty much how the characters evolved. Walked into USA and
said, "Hey, I've got an idea for a show," and that was how
it started.
Q:
Within the casting, you've got a really interesting, talented
cast here. How did you go about mapping those characters into
casting and choose these particular actors?
Jeff
Eastin: Casting was an incredibly long process. I want to
say it was around six months. USA, they move, especially initially,
they move very slowly. They grind very fine. There were some
frustrating things going on early in casting. There was a sort
of sense, like, let's just get this thing going. The good thing
about the search, it took a very long time, but in the end it
was worth it.
We'd started out, and my concept of Neal was
what we really sort of thought was a little bit maybe an impossible
task. Jeff Artel had said, "You know, what we'd love is a
young Warren Beatty." Warren Beatty when he did that screen
test back when he was, like 19, 20 years old. There was something
just very electric and magnetic about him. That said, I was
really hoping we could fine an unknown for the role, and that's
a really tough thing to do, somebody very talented, that good
looking with that much charisma. Usually those guys are probably
working, and they're probably doing features.
We started looking, and I was aware of Matt.
I'd heard his name before. I'd seen maybe one or two episodes
of Chuck where I kind of had registered him as somebody that
was pretty good. He came in and, to our credit, my casting
director, Gayle Pillsbury, keep in mind I bet we saw 300 guys
pretty easily, and that's who I saw for the producer's session.
They saw more guys in the non-producer session, and then kind
of whittled it down, and Matt was a good looking guy, but
there's a lot of good looking guys in L.A.
As we went through the process, I remember
I walked in and Matt, he's kind of an unassuming guy in person.
If you guys were on set and met him, you'd probably realize
he's not particularly flamboyant. He's kind of a reserved
guy. I saw this guy. You know, he's a good-looking guy, just
kind of keeping to himself on the couch, and I didn't really
clock him as being a breakout star. Gayle, my casting director
came over and said, "I want you to keep an eye on this guy."
She said, "He is a star." I said, "Okay, fine."
Came in, he did the read, and I was really
impressed, but again, it's one of those days where I think
we probably saw 20 or 30 guys that day. I put Matt in the
pile of people to come back, and every time we saw him, he
just would get a little bit better and a little bit better.
He's a very good dramatic actor, and I wasn't 100% sure he
could do the comedy, so we sat down and we talked about it
before we took him to network and we sort of discussed the
comedy. He's very intellectual when it comes to acting and
sort of really processed it.
Went in the next day, and this was, again,
very deep in the process. I think we'd probably been holding
onto him for probably two months and bringing him in and bringing
him in. We went into network, and USA's one of the best networks
in the world to go into as far as casting goes. We walked
in, and it was very inviting, very friendly room, and Matt
just started the scene, and there was just that moment where
everybody said, yes, this is it. Wow, this is the guy. That's
it. That's how we found Matt.
Tim, I think we drug … a little longer for
no other reason than just we wanted to be sure. When he and
Matt read together, I think everybody in the room turned to
everybody else and said, yes, we found the pair. I think we
probably drug them around a little bit more in terms of bringing
him in a couple more times, but I think it was really just,
is this the show? Is this the way we want to go? After, I
think, two times at network, we said yes, this is the way
we want to go.
Ultimately, no matter what I write, no matter
where the location is, it's really the show comes down to
those two guys. I'm really happy now because I think probably
the best thing we've got in the entire series right now is
those two guys sitting in a car on a stakeout talking. It's
two guys sitting in a car talking and it's that compelling,
knock wood. I think we may have something good here.
Q:
If Neal has all of Peter's FBI connections behind him was there
ever a worry for you that people would wonder how come he can't
find Kate right away?
Jeff
Eastin: There was a little bit of concern with that. The
theory we're working on is because Neal trained Kate, she's
very good at this. The other thing is you're assuming the FBI
doesn't necessarily know where she's at already and maybe isn't
telling Neal. That's one of the other things we're playing with.
Q:
What were some of the challenges you guys faced filming in New
York?
Jeff
Eastin: Surprisingly few. I'd never been to New York before.
I literally wrote the show using Google Street View. When I
decided that I wanted to do a show about white collar crime,
New York seemed like the obvious place to do it, and Street
View makes a pretty good tour guide. I went through and kind
of mapped the whole show out on Google, went through it, and
I (to be honest) didn't see it. I figured we'd be shooting in
Toronto or Vancouver, but I figured why not try it.
Then, USA and Fox came together. I got the
call originally on the pilot, and they said, "Hey, guess what?
We're shooting in New York." "Really, okay." …, but we said
we'd take it. We ended up shooting in December which was not
when we intended, but I think we did a pretty good job of
hiding the Christmas decorations which were on every street
corner at that point.
We got there, and I was worried because I'd
shot another show in Hawaii, and Hawaii was really tough,
surprisingly. The traffic on Oahu was absolutely crazy, and
you would sort of be staked down to a particular location.
Once you got there in the morning, you're not moving until
night, and I'd worried about that in New York.
A couple things worked for us there. One is
the best thing about New York is just the production value
you get. All we have to do is open a door or point a camera
at a window, and we've got absolutely brilliant production
value, right there, just by pointing at the city which is
really nice. The other thing is the crew. I've never seen
crew this good in my life. I have my producer in New York,
Jeff King, knows the city really well and has been able to
do an absolutely amazing amount for a basic cable budget.
The one thing I'm really proud about of the
show is that he's got a really great look. Bronwen Hughes,
who directed the pilot, she's from New York and did a really
great job of just making the show look good. New York's actually
been great. I went into it a just a little bit worried. It
costs a little bit more to shoot there, but in the end, it
ends up on screen.
Q:
In the wake of the strike, have you noticed especially more
of an appreciation for writers and their sort of indispensible
role in the creative process now since then?
Jeff
Eastin: That's an interesting question. It's really interesting
to me because post-strike, it seems that sort of while the strike
was happening, like, … or something definitely changed. I don't
know. I hate to be mean about this, but I don't really know
if I've noticed more an appreciation for writers.
The one thing I've got to say is USA, because
I'd worked for four years developing with NBC, and NBC and
USA are very closely linked. Jackie de Crinis and Jeff Wachtel
over there and Sepiol, I'd worked with them prior to this
show and prior to the strike, and USA especially was always
very, very good at recognizing the contribution of writers.
They were very much a network about their shows and their
creators. I don't know if they've cancelled a series. I think
pretty much every series I've had has stayed on the air, and
I think that's kind of a testament to how much care they put
into it.
Again, they're very selective. They only pick
up a couple of things, but when they do, they really get behind
it. I was just out here in L.A. The sheer amount of marketing
they're putting behind the show is kind of staggering, and
I know in New York it's crazy. I got a call from Matt Bomer
one late night saying he just saw a poster. He said, "I'm
ten times the size of God on the side of this building, and
it's freaking me out a little bit."
USA has always been very good. In general
in the industry, it's a really interesting question. I don't
know if there's more respect for writers. The one thing in
a weird way I think may have happened sort of away from, as
you know, of the networks, USA's doing pretty good right now.
Some of the other networks I've noticed (and this is just
sort of my impression of it), but I've noticed that there's
almost been a little bit of a devaluing in areas for writers.
The idea that, hey, with the internet, do we really need this
expensive production? Why don't we just throw up a Webisode
instead? We'll get the same number of eyes on a YouTube hit
that we can get on a show that's costing us $3 million an
episode. We can get the same effect with a viral YouTube video
that costs $1,500.
I've noticed a shift there in terms of sort
of the use of writers. I think that may be explained because
during the strike, there was sort of scramble to say, okay,
there's no scripted material coming out in the traditional
sense, but people want scripted material. In a way, I was
very excited about seeing that people still wanted scripted
material. For awhile, most writers I know, we were very worried
that reality would just sort of take over, and there wouldn't
be a place for scripted stuff anymore. I think the strikes
proved there is. Whether or not that will translate into sort
of more shows, I don't know.
I think ultimately, they'll probably translate
into maybe a lot more sort of cheaper shows. I think once
the web is fully integrated, it'll be interesting to see,
but I'd say within the next ten years, it's going to be really
fascinating to see if traditional scripted shows can survive.
I think there'll always be a place for them, but it'll be
interesting to see what format. In five years, maybe it'll
be guys running around with HD cameras shooting stuff in their
backyard.
Q:
Actors, directors, producers, every time they all speak highly
of USA and working with USA, and right now with so many shows
being quickly introduced and then cancelled just as fast, do
you feel that there's sort of a sense of calm, not as much anxiety
working with USA, or is launching a new show the same no matter
who you're launching with?
Jeff
Eastin: No, it's definitely different at USA. It'll be my
fourth show, and I have to say that USA is by far the most relaxing
experience. Going in knowing that we have more than two or three
shows to prove ourselves is incredibly relaxing. Normally, when
it was NBC from my last show in Hawaii, you're going in on a
big network show, you know that that first number better be
big, and you know you better not drop at the half hour. At USA
it's definitely different. They definitely treat you like, okay,
you're here for awhile, so let's figure this out.
We've gotten a really good response from the
pilot, and I think the feeling that I've come away with from
USA is that we know we've got a good show here, and relax,
guys. Hopefully, we find it right away in the series, but
if we don't, we're willing to stick with you for a little
bit until we find the right show hopefully. I've been very
excited about the episodes we've gotten done. Everybody at
USA and Fox has been pretty happy with what we've gotten so
far. I think we may have found it.
That said, I can feel it from the actors.
I can feel it from the crew that, yes, there's definitely
a sense of instead of just looking at it show-by-show, that
we kind of can plan a season. Say, okay, let's try to make
this work. Let's hone this as opposed to, okay, guys, if this
one's not good, we're done. That really does translate nicely
into a more relaxed crew and cast. You see it on screen.
From a writing standpoint, it's nice because
we don't feel the need to compress everything. You know, it's
like we've got to throw all the good stuff in the first episode.
We feel like we can kind of parse it out. Yes, it's definitely
a great network to be launched on.
Q:
In a show like White Collar, what do feel is the right ratio
of comedy to drama, and how do you hit that sweet spot?
Jeff
Eastin: That's probably the greatest question we've got
going right now. It's very tough. I think dramedies are some
of the hardest to do because the thing is they're easy to do
badly. They're very tough to do well. Straight drama, straight
procedural stuff is its own challenge, but at least you know
what you're getting into. Straight comedy which I've done, too,
is easier than this, at least for me, because, again, it's sort
of like you know what you're doing. This one, it's very easy
to end up in a position where you're neither fish nor fowl.
I think we really sort of played with that
on the pilot. In the first episodes we're doing here, we're
sort of playing with that line. There's definitely sort of
a balance. What I find works the best, at least for this show,
is there's an interesting line where there's a certain amount
of jeopardy that plays real. As long as the humor is contextual
between the guys, it's pretty easy to pull it off.
The actors, also, are probably 80% or 90%
key to this. We can write whatever we want, and if you're
sitting there and you've got a dead body but the actors can
find a way to make the lines play, humor us without sort of
feeling like you're in bad taste, it's pretty nice, and we've
got guys that do that. We actually don't have very many dead
bodies. I think we have one in the first six that we actually
see. We are kind of trying to shoot for sort of an elegance
to the show.
The question of where we split the comedy
and where we split the drama is a tough one. I tend to like
the shows that have a little bit more drama to them. Of the
six we've done so far, those tend to be my favorite by a slight
margin. I kind of like stuff that has a little more … to it,
but again, The Shield was my favorite show, so I've also screened
them for friends and family who felt just the opposite, that
they kind of like the ones that're a little more on the humor
side. I think once we find that sweet spot and if we can stay
within a few percentage points on either side of it, I think
we'll be good.
Q:
Is Peter smarter than Neal because he was able to catch him?
Jeff
Eastin: Here's the way. Peter isn't smarter than Neal. The
way I've always said it is if the two guys are in the room,
hopefully, they're the two smartest guys in that room. Neal's
intelligence is a little bit different. Neal is really brilliant
when it comes to his area of expertise. His one giant Achilles
heel is Kate, and when it comes to Kate, sort of all bets are
off. He gets sloppy. He screws up. He becomes impulsive.
One of the character traits Matt Bomer and
I've discussed at length about Neal's character is that at
heart he's kind of a 12-year-old. He's sort of a creature
of the id. One of my favorite lines in the pilot is when Peter's
yelling at him about his new digs in the mansion is he said,
"I don't have a $2 million view of Manhattan that I share
with a 23-year-old art student while we sip cappuccino in
a cloud." Matt looks at him and says genuinely, "Why not?"
For me, that was sort of the crux of the character which was
when he says, "Why not?" he actually believes why not. Why
don't you have these things? It wasn't a rhetorical question.
It was they're there. You could have them, and for me, that
was sort of the crux of Neal's character.
For me, Peter's character is he's very good
at his job. He loves the puzzle, and Neal is sort of another
piece of equipment for him. Yes, they end up, they have a
friendship and stuff, but what Neal really is he's like the
DNA test. He's like fingerprints. He's another tool for Peter
to catch the bad guys. When it comes to catching him, Peter's
not going to waste time. I think there's even a line in the
pilot where he says, "We're not going to catch him with road
blocks and wanted posters. You're not going to get Neal the
regular way." Peter knows that to catch Neal, you go out and
you find his weak spot which is Kate.
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