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Q: I'd like to know what your viewpoint
is on the significance music brings to TV shows.
A: I have been - I can't watch television now without hearing the
score. It's kind of corrupted me forever from just - I can't divorce
the two. It makes so much difference. I learned this early on with
my son, when movies were frightening to him I literally would just
mute the television and then nothing impacted you. If you just see
the visual nothing - at least for most people it just doesn't impact
you.
In a weird way music and of course dialogue are the things that
strike you emotionally. Without them the visual is somehow separate;
it's removed; it can't affect you, so I think music is extremely
important. I love working with directors and show runners and creators
that are passionate about that and recognize that as well. Then
they have strong opinions on what they want and what they're looking
for and when a scene works for them and I respect that because I
come to it with the same passion. We don't always agree but we both
care and we both recognize that the music can have a huge impact
in how a scene plays.
Q: I'm also wondering, how is it working
within a creative team on the show? Do you also have kind of like
a music team you're working with?
A: I do. I have two partners who deserve absolutely as much credit
as I do for the music. I really felt more comfortable with that
because I'd never scored before and I didn't want to take on the
responsibility of a show without people that were more experienced
than I was. I still work with Evan. I couldn't possibly do my cues
alone. I write them and then I need him to help me polish them.
We get into our little tiffs where we think the emphasis should
be. I think just the other day there was a crying scene where I
really got bejiggety without him because I'm like, "You don't
understand what it's like when a woman's about to pop." We
went over it again and again and again until I felt like the intensity
mirrored my own feelings when I'm about like burst into tears. It's
fun. I find it to be really rewarding when you get the music that
supports a well written scene and it comes together and you watch
it. It's kind of like a little bit of magic.
Q: Can you tell us a little bit about
what goes into being the composer for "In Plain Sight"?
A: Well, we all meet up with people who are doing, I don't even
know what you call them. They're people who make sure the door sounds
sound like doors and that the dialogue can be heard over the ambient
noises of the wind or the traffic where they've shot. You have the
director and the editor and John McNamara there and a bunch of other
people that are music supervisors making sure everything is coming
together.
That's when you really go through the whole show scene by scene
with the mostly last cut and you discuss and you point out where
you want - they temp in music, maybe I'm obviously going too much
in depth and that's not really what you're asking.
Anyway you all meet, you communicate about what they want and
you have a temp track that gives you a basic idea and then you go
home and I sit and write on my computer while it plays, either on
keyboard or on guitar and I write my cues and then I go in with
my partners and we create them and add instrumentation and little
notes to emphasize certain moments. Then turn them in and either
they love it or they send them back and then you fix it and then
everyone is happy.
Q: Now if you had to pick one of your
songs to represent the onscreen relationship between Mary and Marshall,
which song would you choose and why?
A: I'd probably have to pick - Oh my God! Well, that's a little
harsh, but I wrote this song when I was -- it's not - I think you
could find it somewhere on the internet, but it was from Girly Sound
which was my original incarnation. I used to write these long songs
where I would sort of do a he said, she said thing. Then he said,
and then she said, and there was this one that went like, "He
came over to my house, didn't even knock, he just walked inside
and when I didn't want to talk he said, oh yes what a lot of bulltish ,
don't be so in love with yourself, don't be so -" It kind of
went back and forth and then he said, "Why she was so in love
with herself."
They just have this great game that goes between them that I find,
even in the smallest moments, like little looks when they're sitting
in the car, that kind of speak volumes. That's fun for me to watch.
When you score you really get micro-focused on that stuff and it's
actually there, written in there and performed In Plain Sight and
I respect that.
Q: We asked actually some of our readers
what they wanted to find out from you and one of them said that
he loves the way you write your Atlantic Monthly article,
your New York Times review, and he heard mention that you're
working on a novel and wanted to know when we could expect to see
more written work from you in the future?
A: Well, it's so funny, it's sitting right in front of me and I
got an intervention from one of my scoring partners. I just sort
of handed him like a chapter here and there and he really likes
it but it taking me forever to finish. He literally staged an intervention.
I'll leave out the swear words but he's like, "Just finish
it. I'm so tired of hearing like, it'll be done in eight weeks.
Just finish it." My hair is dirty, I'm in sweats, and when
I'm not working on scoring I'm trying to finish this darn thing.
Q: They also want to know if you're going
to go on the road any time soon?
A: I hope so. I really have just started to feel really like I
want to get out there and play some more. I think maybe like end
of summer, early fall, sounds nice to me.
I've got some stuff going in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for
an exhibit they're doing on Midwestern artists and I'm actually
going to send my most prized guitar, the one that was on the cover
of Liz Phair - Liz Phair. It's like my main guitar which is a huge
sacrifice. That means it's going to be gone for like at least a
year or a year and a half. That's a big step for me. That will be
along with some handwritten lyrics and this fabulous black leather
ball gown I had.
Q: Had you of taken a job like this back
in 1993 or '94, how would your head space have been different? Do
you think you would have been limited in terms of shows as compared
to now?
A: Oh, I would have been a monster. I don't think I could have
accomplished it. I would have thought I knew everything and I would
have thrown hissy fits and not understood what I was doing. I can't
even imagine. I wouldn't hire me back then to be honest.
Q: Can you talk about the musical parameters
that you have to work within, within the world of the witness protection
program?
A: That's interesting. That's a really complex question because
I'm not even sure how we do hit the mark. I think we listen to the
music that was in there previously and we heard what John said about
what he liked and didn't like. Again listening is key. It is absolutely
essential. When you talk about doing this when I was young, when
you're young you really don't listen to anybody and it's all about
listening.
I listen very closely to any little hints or preferences that
I hear him talk about or anyone who's speaking about the music.
You have to do what you do; you can't be generic. Sometimes I go
a little too wild or left of center and I think it's amazing but
it just is too - I have to get reined back in. I'm not sure, I think
with this show you want to keep the cues fairly spare so that it's
not too much orchestration except in intense scenes so that there
can be a real division between when the intensity ramps up.
The show itself is split between personal life and personal moments
and the struggle within a human being, not just with Mary and Marshall
but with the witnesses who are being relocated. It's a huge part
of the show to think about dropping most of your life and having
to have a rebirth. That's an intense thing. I think this show itself,
between real life and death consequences, which tend to be the ones
that we really flesh out with a lot of instruments and then the
more intimate moments which we try to keep very spare and minimal
and evocative emotionally. There is a big difference. It's a very
complex thing to score, it really is.
Q: With television being such a strictly
constructed form, you've got your teaser, your acts, and your tag,
how does that play into what you compose? Also, in terms of light
scenes and dark scenes using minor chords for melancholy and that
sort of thing, how much scope does this series give you?
A: Oh, a lot. There is a huge range of steps. I find that on any
given episode when all three of us, my two partners and I decide
who's going to write which cues and who's going to finish them.
We all can come to it from a different place depending on what strikes
us in an episode. I always start the ones that I really feel connected
to. There is a huge range on this show. I don't feel limited at
all. Yet, when I'm actually bringing the cues that I've written
in to actually put them down and add instrumentation - I'm often,
Evan is often having me subtract chords. I'll over write. I'll write
too many chords and less is almost always more. I have to continually
learn to pare down what I've written into its essence, jus the minimal
sort of fluctuation as you said between major/minor, but also in
terms of descents and maybe sometimes I think of them in threes
or fours where they sort of continue - I see them as rolling. You'll
get four chords in a row kind of rolling and how fast - you pace
the cue - I'm getting way too in-depth here but you pace the cue
to the movement on screen. You're actually picking the temp based
on the body movements and what's going on. It's fascinating, kind
of.
Q: We loved the show "Swingtown"
and we were curious if there is a difference writing for a period
piece like that than there is for writing for a show like "In
Plain Sight"?
A: Well, I think it really comes down to the creators, the show
creators and what they want. Of course, there is a difference. In
Swingtown we definitely had some comic moments where we played up
the old 70s Funkadelic, we had some fun with that. When it comes
to actual character driven emotional cues I think it just depends
on what sound they're going for.
I wouldn't say we 70s-ized most of the cues on Swingtown, I think
most of the cues on Swingtown were character driven. Certain people
had themes, depending on what was happening to them at that time,
that's how we tailored the cue. I think as a collective we have
started to develop our own sound as well, which when they hire us
we also bring to the table. For my part what I've noticed the most
is that it's about people; it's about people interacting and helping
you, the viewer, feel what they're feeling.
If there are three people in a scene, whose cue is it? Do you
need to feel what Marshall is feeling in that moment? Do you need
to feel what the witness is feeling? Does it switch halfway through?
That is much more important than if it feels - and I think it always
should be like stylized to the 70s, or if this is Albuquerque does
it have to sound southwest? I think it's much more important to
have it ring true to the feelings on screen and what the characters
are experiencing.
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