(Nov.
27, 2007) PCM's Kristyn spent some time talking to
film director Tony Giglio about his new film "Timber
Falls". Read below to learn about the challenges
of filming in Romania, how he feels about MySpace and
the three things that scare Mr. Giglio the most!
Tony: Hi, Kristyn, I'm Tony. How are you?
Kristyn: I am doing just fine, how about
yourself?
T: Great, did you survive your holiday weekend?
K: I did, I did, How about yourself? I
was going to ask.
T: Good, I am from Boston, that is where my
family is from, but I don't venture. I only go for Christmas,
too much traveling so close together kind of freaks me out.
(laughs) So I spend Thanksgiving here with my girlfriend.
K: Where are you located?
T: I am located in Hollywood, right on the
street that goes up to the Hollywood sign.
K: Wow, I am jealous now. (laughs)
T: Where are you located right now?
K: We are in Delaware, all the way on the
east coast.
T: Oh, wow.
K: Yeah, you know everyone thinks of us
as that little suburb of Philadelphia. (laughs)
T: You know I think I have probably driven
through Delaware. My family used to take trips to drive
down to Florida. I think we drove through, but I have never
stopped in Delaware.
K: Yeah, most likely…that is what I usually
get. (laughs)
T: I was checking out your web site. It is
pretty cool.
K: Thank you, we really appreciate it!
T: Well, I try to do my research when I know
I am going to be talking to somebody to see what you guys
have going on.
K: (laughs) We were probably researching
each other at the same time!
T: Oh, I am sure mine was the much more boring
avenue
K: Well, we definitely appreciate any feedback
on the site. I am glad to hear that you like it!
T: You know I hadn't heard of it before, I
will be honest, but I bookmarked it so I will definitely
check it out in the future.
K: Thanks, that is always good to hear.
We are trying our best at it!
T: Well, I am trying to be part of the pop
culture, so…
K: So, you new movie Timber Falls is set
for release soon, how excited are you about that?
T: I am very excited. I have been doing this
for a number of years now. This will be the first film that
I have done what will be released theatrically here in the
States. Two previous films opened internationally, so I
haven't had the luck or the fortune to open up here. You
know, for as long as I can remember, back in high school
I worked as a movie usher and I , know this is going to
sound really stupid, but I always just wanted to go to the
theater and put money down and watch a feature film that
I did. I know I could probably get in for free if I told
them who I am…
K: Right.
T: But I am looking forward to dropping some
money and going in to see the film with an audience. You
have your screenings, but you have your test screening and
you have your cast and crew, and we have done a couple festivals.
That is all wonderful and great, but I think there is something
different about earning the peoples trust to get them out
to the theater. Movies are so expensive and I just feel
privileged that people are taking this risk and chance and
I am hoping that everyone is entertained when they come
out to the theater.
K: Well, it is definitely a great way to
judge the reaction of the general public, that are actually
choosing to be there.
T: Yeah, you know test audiences are great
to register if a jump or a joke is working and all that.
It is the craziness, especially in L.A. when you are testing
a movie, so many people here want to be writers, directors,
and in the business and stuff like that. So, the scariest
part is when these people start commenting on your film
and they are all attacking it in some way. It is not really
a movie going experience, but more like if they were the
artist, changes they would make. I actually never thought
this was a job I could do for a living, I just went to the
movies for entertainment and that was it, but I remember
that feeling and I remember going and having that joy, that
is what you try and get from these screenings. Festivals
I think are well-liked, and cast/crew screenings people
have some kind of vested interest in seeing their work on
screen and they are going to love it, and their friends
and family are there to support. It will hopefully be a
good experience. My friends and I are actually planning
on theater hopping on the 7th
K: That is pretty cool!
T: Yeah, if anything I will contributing a
lot to the box office. (laughs)
K: That's good to hear. I know the feeling,
I went to school for film, so I can understand how you kind
of want to sneak in and see the general audiences reaction
to your work, without listening to all the critiques and
reading online information. It is far better to physically
be there in the theater with the audience.
T: Yeah, it's crazy. I have a couple friends
who are directors, such as Eli Roth, who has done Hostel
and he just told me " Do yourself a favor, don't start
to read every little blog out there, do yourself a favor
and tune it out" You are going to have people call
you a genius and you are going to have people call you the
worst thing ever, and you can't believe any of it. You just
have to muscle through this next portion, so I guess the
long answer to your question is yes, I am definitely excited
about this movie opening.
K: Great! While I was researching this
film, I did discover that there was quite a mixed bag of
critiques about the film. Some people on one end of spectrum
really loved it, and then other were totally on the other
side of the fence. What would you say is the overall message
you are trying to convey with the film? Also, how seriously
do you take the critiques and criticisms?
T: Well, it is really interesting, because
I know exactly the venues that have so far published reviews
of the film. There is definitely a clear line. People who
have seen it, Fangoria and a few others, who have seen it
in the theater, like a Cannes, or have seen it at ScreamFest,
those screenings were packed houses. There were about 500
people at Cannes and the ScreamFest had about 400 people.
Those reviews were the positive ones, all of the kind of
sour reviews have been screener copies of the film that
have been watched basically in private. So, that is why
I am kind of excited about it coming out in theaters, cause
I think the film has a lot of dark humor as well as the
requisite jumps and scare moments. I think if you are watching
the film alone in a room and you are expecting the Exorcist
constant horror, I am not sure it lives up to that expectation.
I was really influenced early on from Sam Rami, the early
Evil Dead work, Wes Craven, who blended a lot of comedy
into their horror.
K: I can see that
T: So the screenings that we have had with
audiences, they seem to really get the jokes. It is such
a ludicrous plot, I mean I don't know if you have seen the
film, but we made a conscious decision, myself and the actors,
that if we don't have people laugh with us, than they may
laugh at us. Just because it is so ludicrous a plot, I wanted
to keep the tension and the scare but also, I mean certainly
there are movies like The Exorcist and The Sixth Sense that
need to be tense and scary from beginning to end and stuff
like that. We felt more in the vein of a fun movie going
experience where you could laugh and scream. The screams
are meant for release, not genuine uber terror threats.
I think the goal of all of us was to just make an entertaining
flick and not take ourselves that seriously. I think for
the most part we accomplished that. There are the humor
moments have really worked and they seem to help with the
scares. I mean if you are laughing, then the last you expect
is to all of a sudden jump in fright, so I think it helps
to heighten those moments. Everybody is entitled to their
opinion absolutely, I do think there is a test group out
there that shows when this movie is played in public it
has a better response than if it is just a closed room with
three or four people.
K: Well, sometimes you can get that better
response with the audience because people will gage their
reactions from people around them, the look of the film
on the big screen, the loudness of the theater, etc.
T: Right, I mean I am not saying that just
to pump up the draw, literally if were to go through all
of the published reviews the most positive ones have all
been from the festivals and some of the other public viewings.
It showed me that there is a very clear line , I mean I
have an interview for a job at Joel Silvers company and
I did not want to send them just the DVD, I invited his
company, four of his executives over to the ScreamFest screening
and everything is going well, they had a really great time
because they watched it in the best possible setting. You
are right, you see the movie on the big screen, it was shown
at the Manns Chinese Theater. It was really great.
K: Well, that is certainly the place to
be!
T: You know if you are watching the film on
DVD, you will probably be looking at your PDA
K: Or getting up to go to the kitchen.
(laughs)
T: You have to basically at some point realize
that you have done your best job, if you have, and if you
have done your best with what you are given and you have
to let it go, let it breathe, and find a life. You have
to know that it is not always going to be accepted, and
sometimes that is going to be a bummer, but for the most
part I am pretty comfortable with how we finished out. Come
to think of it, there was actually one really negative review,
which I really didn't understand, there was one on Bloodydisgusting.com
K: I think I saw that one actually
T: They seemed to really not like the movie,
but yet went out of their way to say how much they like
me.
K: Yeah, I think it was somewhere along
the lines of you having great creative talent potential,
but it went on to say some not so nice things about the
film.
T: Yeah, I mean I was like, how do you compliment
the director, but tear down his movie (laughs) I was like
"Okay…umm…thanks!"
K: I think? (laughs)
T: It is funny cause I sit there and I go
I am pretty confident and I know what to do. You never can
tell exactly how people are going to respond. People do
not have to compliment me directly, I would rather have
them like the movie. I was really excited about that Fangoria
review, it was the first one, it was off the Cannes screening
and we really did well there and I was really nervous about
the first blogger and that kind of had a nice setting of
a tone and I felt like that was good. I mean the Bloodydisguting.com
one had some merit to it, I mean we did not have the uber
amounts of gore, but that was more a conscious decision,
the reviewer was not really accurate. It was not the producers
decision to , I think it is quote on quote " have a
vice on my balls" it was more a conscious decision
to try to not have needless amount of gore. We were about
a two and a half million dollar movie, so I wanted to maximize
the dollars and if I am going to have a kill and have these
moments in the film, I wanted to maximize it, and rather
than having twenty somewhat good looking deaths versus ten
really good looking deaths I would rather do that.
K: I understand, I mean you can turn the
scare factor up, just with the way a film is shot without
the need for tons of blood and gore.
T: Yeah, I mean it is also the trends. The
trends that were coming out, I saw the Hostels and The Hills
Have Eyes and these films were not very well accepted not
just critically, I mean most horror movies aren't, but the
fans didn't even turn out for them either. After I got out
here I was a production assistant for awhile then I started
writing. Everything I had done before Timber Falls I had
written myself, so I have always considered myself to be
a storyteller first. I have always felt that audiences will
forgive you if you don't have the greatest production value,
if you don't have the best special effects, but as long
as you have a good story on the characters, that is the
best special effect you can have in a film. I mean that
web site obviously tailors to their audience and their core
and if their core wants a lot of uber super gory moments,
we have like three really good ones, but we don't have ten
or eleven, so I am not going to try to be something we are
not. Overall, I think for the most part there is some credibility
to it you know.
K: What are some of the major ways you
feel that Timber Falls stands out from typical slasher horror
flicks that are out in theaters now and in the past?
T: Well, one of the points I touched on just
a bit ago, one of the things that was really starting to
drive me crazy was, and I have been a horror movie fan for
a very long time, and most of the time, most horror movies
for the first act introduce the characters and you know
who your lead is going to be and then systematically throughout
the film these people are killed. But nothing that is learned
in the first act in the movie ever comes back again, they
just use the first act to warm you up and intro. the characters
and stuff like that. Myself, the screenwriter, and the actors,
our goal was to say "Hey, let's introduce something
in the first act, that actually comes back and plays in
the last act". I think within the story there are definitely
areas where you have to pay attention. We tried to do a
couple of things that are a little different as far as mixing
up a little of the characters and changing up the genres.
To me it was the story, it was trying to give presence to
everything, and if there is going to be a violent slasher
moment, if there is going to be a gore moment, make it integral
to the story and not just frivolous.
K: So it is not just there for show.
T: I mean we didn't have the money for it,
but you don't want to be dictated by your budget. Audiences
don't care if the budget was over two million or twenty
or two hundred, they want to make sure they are having a
good time. So, all the moments in the film have story value
to them, whether they be a kill , whether they be multi-character
defining moments, I think the characters are introduced
to a problem and rather than just having them survive, they
have to make those same emotional commitments that you find
in dramas and other genres of films. It is not just I have
to stay alive, which I feel is worthy on some levels, but
not what I wanted to do, I wanted to really have a character
piece. This is probably as close to a character piece as
I have ever done and I think the actors all did a really
good job of making you care about them, seeing their plight,
and then actually growing to have a character. I think that
everyone who wants a little story with their horror movie
will be happy.
K: That is good. That is something that
seems to lack, especially if you look at some of the classic
horror movies such as the Freddy or Jason movies, you already
know that the characters you are introduced are going to
die and that is just that and we will forget about them
and move on to the next character/victim.
T: You know, people go to horror movies for
different reasons and I get it and all that kind off stuff.
I have never tried to look at it from the genre perspective,
but at the movie as a whole. Is it a good movie? Does it
work on the same level that you would judge other films
on? I mean people specifically say " Oh, it's only
a horror movie, and we give these movies passes and stuff
like that, and oh, it is a special effect movie and we give
it a pass, I have to say at the end of the day the script
is the easiest and cheapest thing to work on when you are
making a film and you could spend a lot of time making sure
it is right and it works especially when you are working
on a low budget film, where you don't have the choices and
the opportunities. You can not go out on three months of
reshoots if something doesn't work or fix a huge sequence
with massive amounts of visual effects. So a lot of time
was spent on the script and making sure that worked. I had
seen this one horror movie called "Wolf Creek"
which got a lot of buzz. It was a one million dollar movie
shot in Australia and it based on a true event. There were
some really nice moments of it, but you spend forty five
minutes meeting these three characters that are kidnapped,
tortured, and then they are all executed. So, I was okay,
what did I learn from this? I didn't learn anything from
this! Actually, you can't even say that was based on a true
event because you don't know if that really happened or
not. I felt that the character development was forty five
minutes of wasted time, they just tortured the kids. If
that is what you are going for than that is great, but it
not what we try to do.
K: So, tell me where the principle shooting for Timber Falls
took place?
T: The film is set in the mountains of West
Virginia, so we obviously wanted to be as authentic as possible
so we flew to Romania. Basically the production company
had hired a local Romanian producer, an American guy who
has company over there, and he pitched this idea. The original
script was supposed to take place in Seattle, Washington
in the mountains up there, that was not a possibility with
our budget, so this guy came in a kind of pitched a, two
and half million dollars in Romania is like five eighths
with the amount of stuff you can buy and the crew and all
that stuff. When I saw the lay of the land and the areas
we had targeted for shooting, they had shot all of the Nicole
Kidman movie "Cold Mountain" there which was set
in the same kind of area of the West Virginia. So we changed
the script to West Virginia, and if you are from that area
and know, you are not going to know any different. I mean
the mountains and the trees all look exactly the same. We
shot all of the exteriors, of these beautiful mountains
in Translyvania of all place. We found some truly amazing
places.
One of the benefits of having a lower budget
is that we didn't have a huge crew, so I kind a got dropped
off one day by the location scout and was told that he thinks
there is a mountain trails up there, so they sent me as
the director out in the middle of the Translyvanian mountains
hiking and I tried to find a spots I have never seen on
film before. The majority of the movie is spent inside a
basement, prison type thing where are leads are kept. I
wanted to show these vast beautiful nature shots, and shoot
it as wide as I possible could and then as the movie progresses
it gets more and more claustrophobic and small. Some of
these landscapes that we found were just spectacular and
being in Romania we could build just about anything. The
majority of the movie is inside a cabin, so we were able
to build the exterior of the cabin, the interior, all the
different rooms and have the ability to remove walls and
floors and really have our cameras do more than the normal
low budget movie because one of the restrictions you usually
have on a lower budget film is that you have to find practical
locations.
K: Of course, because you need to limit
changes to your set
T: Over here, the opening scene of the film
probably couldn't have been done on a regular two million
dollar budget film, basically we brought in this super techna
crane that we brought in from Germany, which the only one
close to eastern Europe at that point. It was only because
we were able to remove walls, ceilings, and floors of the
set to get that dynamic camera move. That was probably the
main benefit.
K: I was going to ask if you had any set
difficulties of any type.
T: Well. Romania is as probably as American
as you are going to get over there, most of country speaks
English so that was not a problem. The problem we had was
simply just, oh how do I say it, when people come to Hollywood
they want to be filmmakers, in Romania they are there and
the film industry has kind of came to them. They want to
give you what you want, but they are not passionate about
film making. So, the challenges for the cast, all the cast
was brought in from the states, so there was just kind like
we were all thinking this is our lives, this is our passion
and our art and there was a very nine to five mentality
there that eventually you keep it light and keep it moving
and be respectful. They came around, but there was a big
growing theory that when you are on a short shooting schedule
that is difficult. The challenges of getting some of the
locations, the whole opening scene of the film after the
girl escapes her prison type cellar runs off to a cliff.
I mean, this cliff was almost impossible to get a crew up
to simply because we were in such uncharted territory in
Romania. They just do not have the equipment like we do
in the States to scale up, literally it was me climbing
up one by one with the cast and each of us putting boxes
on our backs. It was a very film school type of thing to
do. And sometimes the language, even though they all spoke
English, it was still hard to understand at times.
The casting director for example, the original plan was
to bring the five leads out Brianna Brown, Josh Randall,
Beth Broderick, and Nick Searcy and then the actor who plays
Deacon his name is Sascha Rosemann. We were hoping to cast
Americans, for some of the other smaller roles that were
maybe living in Eastern Europe or stuff because there is
a lot of film production that goes on over there. Well,
when I got over there, my first day with the casting director,
I sit, he seems like a very nice man, he has casted a bunch
of films, so one by one these actors come in and they are
all speaking English, but in heavy thick Romanian accents.
So at first, I thought maybe it was somewhat of a little
joke, I mean they are supposed to be people from West Virginia
and they sound like Igor. (laughs) I turn the casting
director and go " Is this serious?" and five or
six actors come in, in a row like this and he says "
Why? Do you not like them?" I said it is not a question
of whether I like them or not, they are Romanian, and speaking
English with the accent, I finally learned that they can
not hear the difference between the way I was speaking English
and the way they were speaking English. They were not able
to pick up on what a West Virginia accent was supposed to
sound. Those were some of the real challenges, nothing we
couldn't overcome, but it was like " Hey, we are in
a third world country and I have to figure this out quickly"
K: Definitely, I am glad to hear things
worked out. How would you say the chemistry on the set was
overall between the actors and the crew?
T: All of the actors really bonded with myself.
I think we all felt like we in a situation together. With
the Romanian people you can kind of see fifty years of Communist
oppression still on them, They have a fear of authority
figures and I think it is just inherent, they have only
been a free society for ten years, so it took them awhile
to warm up. They never wanted to say anything that would
get you upset and they wanted to do what you wanted them
do, it is just that it took awhile for them to relax a little
bit. I do not like to have a set that is crazy or tense
of anything like that, so in the States when you are making
a movie for example you would say this what I want, get
me this, and if they weren't able to get it, they would
come back to you and say " That was out of the budget
range, or we weren't able to find this" or something,
but some of the first real problems with the chemistry was
that they were nervous about me cause I am the director
and they would never tell me that they couldn't do something
because they were afraid of that. That led to some issues,
my opinion was just tell me and I can deal with the situation.
Does that make any sense?
K: Yeah it does
T: So, once we kind of got past that we went
on from there. We were located in Bucharest, the capital,
we shot in Translyvania which was about a four hour ride,
and sometimes being on location really helps everyone bond
together. You get to hang out and go to dinner and relax.
When we got back to Bucharest, I think it was a lot easier
because we all knew each other and got each others sense
of humor. Plus with Americans working over there, food was
another issue. They eat very heavy thick meat and potatoes,
it was a huge dietary change from what we were used to,
but I think once we got past that it was fine and we had
a great chemistry. It came easy for the actors, all the
actors bonded rather quickly.
K: That is good.
T: I think they felt like "Well, we're
here guys, we have to make it work" and they really
came around. I think with some of the other movies that
have shot in Romania, like the Van Damme and Steven Segal
straight to video release, the producers and the directors
don't seem to care a lot at all about the crews, they bark
and scream and yell, and think that is what the crew was
accustomed to, so they we expecting us to be that jerk,
but we weren't and they were cautious of us. It took a little
time, but I still trade emails with bunch of them. Our crew
was not all Romanian, we had a very talented cinematographer
for the UK, his name was Toby Moore. Toby had never shot
a movie before, he had done a bunch of commercials and stuff
like that, so when you have guys like that, and most of
actors have really been leads, I think even some of our
supporting actors had roles bigger than they had ever had
before, I think three of our actors who played hillbillies
and a park ranger they had never had even a single film
role. They came to the table with a great attitude, they
would do anything for us, they worked so hard. Everyone
thought this was a great opportunity and there were no egos
on the set. I mean how egotistical can you really be when
you are in the middle of Translyvanian forest.
K: Well, I am sure some would try, so it
is good that you did not run into that type of problem.
T: None of us are making a lot of money, it
was that we all truly believed in the script. Everyone knew
the deal before we left, so there was none of that. I think
that overall, I think all of the cast here in LA have gotten
together on several occasions and had a really great time.
At the ScreamFest we had nice little afterparty, so it has
been really good.
K: Well, it is great that you can maintain
that closeness, even after everything is finished and wrapped
up.
T: It was a very trying experience, but if
it was easy everyone would do it and I think we are all
very proud of the finished product. Knowing what we had
and knowing the situations and stuff like that, it really
couldn't have turned out better so we are definitely happy.
K: That is good. I see that the film does
have it's own MySpace page, how do you feel about MySpace
as a way to promote and interact with film fans?
T: Well, I think it has done really well.
I just recently opened up my own profile about a year and
half ago, right around the time I got back from Romania
last October or November. Everyone I know seems to have
a MySpace profile and every week a new movie seems to take
over MySpace and put a bunch of ad on, so I have to think
if people are doing this then it must be effective. We had
a sold out show at our screening, so I have to think there
is some credibility to it, I have even found several college
friends on MySpace that I haven't talked to in ten years
K: (laughs) That is way it works,
you can find just about anyone.
T: Of course you get the occasional girl that
wants to add you as a friend and then send you a video link
to her chat, that is out there if you want it apparently
(laughs) I do not think my girlfriend likes it when those
come, but they are there.
K: (laughs) Yeah, I get kind of
angry at my fiancée for the same thing, I say "Who
is that?"
T: They find me, what are you going to do?
(laughs) Is it my fault? I finally turned the approvals
on, so people can not just post anything they want now,
that is how I solved my problem. I am hoping the coverage
of Timber Falls on MySpace works, and the TV ads just started
running here in LA so hopefully people will get out there
and see the film. I think they will have a good time, I
am hoping they do.
K: I do have a just for fun question for
you, can you name three things for our readers that frighten
you the most?
T: Driving in Los Angeles, an empty church,
I was raised Catholic so I used to get to Mass early, and
the empty church used to always have this Exorcist or Omen
to me, and hmm..let's see spiders scare me as well.
K: Well, that is common one!
T: No, let's put spiders, empty church, and
then driving in L.A as the last one (laughs)
K: Okay, will do! (laughs)
K: Finally, can you please tell our readers
if they have a little extra spending cash, why they should
go see this film?
T: A lot of work, effort, energy, and passion
was put into this movie. I know that Hollywood tends to
turn out these horror flicks with not a lot of thought or
respect to them. I can honestly say if they are a fan of
the movie going experience, like I said earlier, I know
how expensive movies are and myself, my hourly wage on this
movie was probably about a dollar thirty an hour, I work
about twenty hours a day, seven days a week. Josh Randall
the lead actor literally came back from Romania, he did
all the stunts in the movie himself, he couldn't walk, he
had to have acupuncture to his back. He could not move out
of his bed for two weeks and Brianna Brown, the lead girl
in the film has a scene where she has to get into a large
volcanic lake and it was negative two degrees in the water
and she is naked getting into it, and she did it over and
over again. She would come out of the water and her lips
would be blue. There is a whole rain climax scene where
three of our actors are involved, the rain towers that make
the rain, it was so cold, it was the coldest night in Romanian
history for October, the rain was freezing before it came
down, it was literally ice falling, none of the people ever
complained. The passion and energy, all of the people who
worked on it love this movie, they love movies in general,
and I can honestly say it was made with all the best intentions,
it was made with the audience in mind at all times and this
movie will not insult the audience and we totally respect
the audience for coming out and if they are looking for
a good time, I seriously think they will have a blast at
this movie.
K: That was very well put, thank you! And
thanks so much for talking with us today.
T: Thank you, I appreciate you taking the
time to speak with me about the film.
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